1957 fordson major

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1957 fordson major

Postby markr1001 » Thu May 17, 2018 2:00 am

well i just got my new to me fordson major home. the numbers on the block and the plate on the battery tray say its D28A and 1429721. well its getting water in the oil, so im going to assume it needs sleeves and maybe a bit of help around the o-ring grooves as i read they are quite common on this motor. well i started with taking the head off as it was loose from the previous owner haveing it diagnosed about 7 years ago, and i started to pull the oil sump. well it appears as though the bolt of pin that connects the A shaped peice that goes from the front axle to the sump is missing. it lookes like a pin should go through and then a bolt to retain it? does any one know a part number or even what it is called? and maybe a picture or 2 of how it should look? i have access to a full machine shop at work so i would make the part if possible but if not i will buy. but as i live in ontario canada shipping on parts from england get pricey quick.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1o_0UO ... kOHNjEdGZe

not sure if the pic will work, but this is where she sat for 7 years. its now in my garage at home! i forgot to get updated pics
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Re: 1957 fordson major

Postby henk » Thu May 17, 2018 8:34 pm

Welcome Mark,

You have a May 1957 New Major with the Mark II engine. Well equipt with the loader. Do you have the bucket also?

This is what should go into the A piece: https://histoparts.com/nl/webshop/trekk ... major.html
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Re: 1957 fordson major

Postby markr1001 » Fri May 18, 2018 12:05 am

ya i got the bucket aswell! i will try and get some more pictures this weekend! im hoping to get the oil sump off tomorrow and get a better idea what im dealing with
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Re: 1957 fordson major

Postby markr1001 » Fri May 18, 2018 5:01 pm

well i pulled the oil sump this morning, and couldnt see much of anything. so i decided to pour water into the block with the head removed, and as expected i get lots of water dripping out from around the sleeves. now i guess i may be confused but i amagined i would be able to see the bad spots if the oring grooves were rotted away. however i cant. so now i assume that they deteriate from the inside of the water jacket to the o ring grove. would that be correct.

so i guess now i need to actually remove the liners to know how bad it is.

well a picture is worth a thousand words so this is what i am dealing with. when i first got the head off i put tranny fluid in the cylinders and then took most of it our and put a bit of diesel in before i turned it over by hand as it had been sitting for around 7 years
there is all the pics and some info i have on the tractor.



https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing
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Re: 1957 fordson major

Postby henk » Fri May 18, 2018 8:09 pm

Great pictures Mark,

Can't help you with an answer on that. But I'm sure others readers will.

Is your tractor upside down or the wheatsheafbadge? :lol:
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Re: 1957 fordson major

Postby markr1001 » Fri May 18, 2018 10:45 pm

Ya your right the decal is upside down.... least of my worries. I noticed that one day when i was looking at pictures before i brought it home
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Re: 1957 fordson major

Postby markr1001 » Tue May 22, 2018 12:04 am

ok well i did a bunch of work this weekend. so i have a bunch of questions.
is the fuel bowl the right way up? my buddy says he thinks its upside down
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1dXn2C ... sr_34IBKo_

next is these are the o ring groves, i think they look to be in very good shape. i need to do a good cleaning on everything
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1tfck4 ... iwthhbmpzG
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_R_5S ... u5_WE2YaMx

here is a pic of the orings, which when i poured water in the motor it was pouring out around the sleeves and i think this is why\
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1hESvj ... rSF0I0KicF

here is a pic of the crank which is in fantastic shape, i need to mic the crank to make sure it has not been ground
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1CPvfP ... pJy4lfLfFe

so me and the father in law were trying to figure out how to shift from low to high. also i noticed a lever i am not sure on what it is for.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=14IqQh ... D3Ylyw2w56

im hoping to get to clean the block as it has had a stop leak product in it... and start prepping for new parts.i am going to go with a full rebuild. any thoughs on the ebay kits? and how is the best way to break the motor in? i dont actually own a farm and want it more for the joy of it and for moving stuff around so i have no way of actually working the motor. i have heard of driving it up to a tree and having it against it to work it. any other thoughts? driving on the road? loader work?
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Re: 1957 fordson major

Postby Matt85 » Tue May 22, 2018 2:33 am

Markr1001, hat lever is to enable the pto. And if you want to shift from high to low that lever is right under the throttle lever.
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Re: 1957 fordson major

Postby markr1001 » Tue May 22, 2018 4:24 pm

Matt85 wrote:Markr1001, hat lever is to enable the pto. And if you want to shift from high to low that lever is right under the throttle lever.



weird it doesnt change anything with pto when its in either position? how does it work?
and i dont have a lever under my throttle?
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1lFWEg ... 5W85ijSsdU

does any one know where i can get the linkage to connect the next 2 pictures and what does it do?
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ZNR18 ... tflcNZQrNg
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_5jzb ... SMCYuJbOot

also what is this? it came in a box i got with the tractor.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1b8qya ... yfw37-xa71

i hope im not asking to many questions. im pretty eager to get the old girl running.
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Re: 1957 fordson major

Postby Matt85 » Tue May 22, 2018 7:57 pm

Markr1001, You have to pull it towards you to engage the pto. Nothing will happen if the tractor isn't running. Btw if you have a non live major the pto will only spin when the clutch is in.

The lever right next to the igintion switch is the high-low shifter. Non-live ptos like mine low is up and high is down. And with live pto it's reversed.

That linkage controls the throttle valve in the intake manifold. It's part of the fuel injection system.

Hopefully everything I said is right. Anybody reading this feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: 1957 fordson major

Postby henk » Tue May 22, 2018 8:27 pm

Youre right Mark.

Can't seem to place this part on a major!!!
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1b8qya ... yfw37-xa71
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Re: 1957 fordson major

Postby blackbob » Wed May 23, 2018 6:44 am

weird it doesnt change anything with pto when its in either position? how does it work?


i hope im not asking to many questions. im pretty eager to get the old girl running.

Don't worry about the questions - we love em :D And we're eager to see her running too..

I suspect that when you're pulling the lever, the splines inside the pto drive aren't engaging - try turning the pto stub a little, by hand, and see if the lever can be moved further back?
The arms on the back of the tractor are lifted by a hydraulic pump which is driven by the pto, inside the back-end. So if you disengage the pto, you also disengage the lift. If I remember right you have a separate pump on the front of the engine for your loader, completely independent of the transmission.
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Re: 1957 fordson major

Postby markr1001 » Wed May 23, 2018 9:27 pm

Well i was cleaning up the motor last night and found this.... a crack between 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 ... had a welder buddy stop buy he said weld or braze it up and it will be fine... what are your thoughts? I found a block but they want 600 bucks.... and im already doing a full rebuild which is about 500 bucks.... ugh

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cFoisu ... p=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ldvXPl ... p=drivesdk
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Re: 1957 fordson major

Postby blackbob » Wed May 23, 2018 10:55 pm

Just to revise my post from this morning.. I've been having another look through the file of photos you posted, and I see that you have a 'raised pto'. This was an optional extra and is now much sought-after, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORDSON-MAJO ... SwtGlZM9F5 it is a reduction gearbox on the end of the normal pto shaft, with a selector lever so that the pto output can be disengaged. So, on a standard tractor, the pto and hydraulic pump are engaged'disengaged simultaneously, using the vertical lever by your left ankle. And, for example, you can't attach a mower to your tractor, including its drive shaft. and lift it up off the ground without the mower blades spinning. But with a raised pto fitted, you can leave the front lever engaged, and hence the hydraulic pump running constantly, and use the lever at the back to turn the pto on and off; so it is more like a 'modern' tractor 8)

The cracks.. The Major lying in my shed has cracks exactly like yours; 'someone' (I can't remember who it was) told me that it would be ok like that, and not to worry about them. But I hope someone else gives you a more definitive answer :)
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Re: 1957 fordson major

Postby AdrianNPMajor » Thu May 24, 2018 12:38 am

As Bob says, the cracks between the cylinders are not an issue. The structural integrity of the block is not compromised - the head when bolted down holds everything together. Neither is coolant leakage an issue - the head gasket seals the cracks.
I discovered the same thing on my 1954 Diesel Major (see photo). After a rebuild the engine ran beautifully, and I worked it hard, as you should.
The only serious problem to encounter is corrosion-erosion/cavitation-erosion to the base of the cylinder apertures where the liner seals fit. You have posted images of the areas, but I couldn't see clearly how they look. I assume you have checked and they are fine. [I have only read about this problem with Major blocks. I haven't encountered it myself.]
Glad you're rebuilding the engine. It was the only option. The tractor will be a real asset when you've completed the job.
Good luck.
Best, Adrian.

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Re: 1957 fordson major

Postby markr1001 » Thu May 24, 2018 1:15 am

So yoyr saaying dont even weld it just leave it as it is and put new liners in and run with it?
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Re: 1957 fordson major

Postby AdrianNPMajor » Thu May 24, 2018 8:17 am

I have described what I did, and I have described the end result.
It's your tractor. You decide!
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Re: 1957 fordson major

Postby markr1001 » Thu May 24, 2018 9:34 pm

And after a closer look at your pic yours was all 3.... ive emailed a company that sells agriline to see about shipping. I did some more cleaning today and all the oring groves look great!

Any ideas on where to purchase new sleeve shims? 3 out of the 4 had shims

I found the hi/low lever today

Now i just need to find the length and where to purchase a throttle rod
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