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date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed question

PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:51 pm
by janus
hello

can anyone give me the date of my fordson super major 6 cilinder

code on gearbox P22F
7007F T1
E1ADKN

code on rear end P14F
T14025 T1
E1AKDN

a few questions

is this a normal super major, or an super major new performane ? ( because it have white rims )

what gear ratio ( pinion crown wheel ) should be mounted from factory ? the fast or the slow one ?

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a photo of the fordson when i bought it

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photo of the pinion crownwheel

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pinion crown wheel

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photo of the fordson at this time

Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed qeus

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:05 pm
by janus
hello this was a old topic what i have changed, can anyone tell me if this is a normal super major or an new performance ?

and what cronwheel pinion i have ( because i think its a normal super major, and it should have the fast pinion crownwheel ) but its running( only ) 23kilometers ( 14 - 15 miles ) a hour, at 23000 revs ,and i think this i a little slow, because my other fordson power major runs a lot faster ( same tyre size ), so a im a little bit confused , maybe because someone told me that the normal super major are running faster than a new performance ( not that the road speed is a big problem , i just wondering wich fordson major has the fast crown wheel / pinion

Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed qeus

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:24 pm
by henk
Janus,

The date of the casting codes is 14 and 22 December 1961. So it will be a normal super major with orange wheel rims. But you do not have the original rear rims.
Know nothing about the crown wheel, but some other will. But looking at the numbers on the crown wheel is reads 9-12-61. So it looks the right one.
Do you have the cast iron sump?

Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed qeus

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:51 pm
by Pascal
@ Henk,
The rear wheels look pretty original to me, if they are 14x30 (tyre 16.9x30)? But I could be wrong of course.


@Janus,
My '61 SuperMajor runs about 30 kpm at 2,200 rpm.
New Performance tractors are slower on the road: they have the 4.4 ratio on crown/pignon. The older ones (like mine) have 3.3.
I don't know any further info about this.

Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed qeus

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:49 pm
by janus
the tire size is 18.4 x 30

where can i see what the ratio of this pinion crownwheel is 4.4 or 3.3 ? anybody can tell me ?

and henk thanks for the front engine plate , its mounted on this fordson
i have changed the sump for an iron cast sump
over a few weeks, i hope to start her up, and hope it won't leak, and its running fine, so i can paint the rest this summer

Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed qeus

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:55 pm
by henk
Glad you could use it. The result looks great.

Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed qeus

PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:26 pm
by BearCreek Majors
I believe the factory gear ratio is stamped in the surface that the lid sits on, on the front left corner.
What did you get for a sump, is it two cast iron pans cut and welded back together?

Pat

Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed qeus

PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:38 pm
by janus
i know what you mean, but there is nothing stamped in this location

on a other location on the rear end flange, is stamped SR anybody know what it means, or seen this before ?

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the sump is not welded, i'm a lucky man and found a original one ,on a spare fordson, that was standing for about 15 years outside

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Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed qeus

PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:32 pm
by janus
after searching a while , i've got the answer

my pinion has eight teeths, so is is a slow 4.4 ratio

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1979&p=13716&hilit=pinion+teeth#p13716

someone know what the SR means ?

Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed qeus

PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:44 pm
by janus
today i've changed my differentail for a 3.5 one i hope it runs a lot faster

and also a few photo's of the project

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engine is running again, removed rear end to change diff

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the left 4.4 the richt 3.3 as you can see the crownwheel is smaller of a 3.3 diff, and the pignon is bigger

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cleaned the back end ( about a inch of dirty ( grease ) stuff )



here a few pictures of the fordson

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diff is in rear end

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before engine removal

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engine removed

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cleaned engine for paint and replaced sump

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engine is paint

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bearing before

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bearing after

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new bushes and spindels

Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed qeus

PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:52 pm
by Pascal
Hi Janus,

Great pictures! :clap:

So the left crown wheel is the slow one?
Looks like the one in my tractor. I thought I had the quick one? :scratchhead:

Did you manage to count the teeth on the crown and pignon wheel?
Do you have pictures of the pignonwheel as well?

Thank you in advance!

Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed qeus

PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:42 pm
by janus
here is picture of the pignions


the slow one has 8 teeth on the pignion 35/8 = 4,375 = ( 4,4 ratio)
the fast one has 10 teeth on the pignion 35/10= 3.5 = ( 3,5 ratio)

( both the diff's got 35 teeth on the crownwheel )

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Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed qeus

PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:18 pm
by henk
Pascal,

Maybe theres hope on a faster tractor. :eyes:

Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed ques

PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:19 pm
by janus
here a few pictures, of the fordson ( my holiday is over but the fordson is bleu :buddies: )

i also had a question about the Letters SR , wich are standing on the flange of the rear end

i've found a side, of the older type fordson e27
http://www.fordsonmajor.se/fordson_eng/ ... /gears.htm

if you look at this side, i think the letters SR standing for the words Special Ratio, i dont 'know this for sure

but if someone is knowing what this realy means, i really like to hear this



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Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed ques

PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:12 am
by ford5000y
It looks great!! I'm green with envy!!!!

Does the thousand series DAR valve worked well on your fordson super major??

Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed ques

PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:34 pm
by janus
ford5000y

i don't know if it works well, i never used it

Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed ques

PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:52 am
by 1962 model
There are also different diamaeter bull gears too according to the parts books.
17.65 inches reduced to 17.52 inches.
Seems like they needed a larger diameter pinion shafts to be able to hollow them out for the diff lock activating pin and to do this they reduced the corresponding bull gear diameter which also offset the reduction to 4.4 ratio a little.
I wonder if Ford were also using up old tooling and stocks of E27N crownwheel and pinions before the model was due to run out?

These smaller bull gears are probably not be interchangable due to the change to the pinion shafts to allow for the diff lock.
I will be going through all this myself when I rebuild the final drive of my early Super Major, I am just hoping that the bull gears, or pinions are not damaged by the severely worn wheel bearings. ( probably no rollers )

I am also hoping that the axles had not changed as I have some 1960 ones ready to use?

Mike

Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed ques

PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 7:45 pm
by janus
hello here a photo of the fordson at this time

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have or does anyone know rear wheel mounting plates for sale ?

Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed ques

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 12:30 pm
by henk
Nice. Youre doing a neet job. You are using the USA colors?

Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed ques

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 5:49 pm
by janus
hello henk

i'm not using the usa colors, everything have to become bleu , i hope this summer

Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed ques

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 6:26 pm
by henk
even the grills? :wink:

Re: date of fordson super major and pignon / roadspeed ques

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 6:32 pm
by janus
no the grills won't be bleu , i think it will be silver