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VonZu's '78 4600 Four

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:09 pm
by VonZU
Hello, blue forum!

This is my first post and thread on this forum, and it's about my 1978 4600 Four.
I just realised that I have allmost no pictures of it, and have to do something about it.

Anyway, here it is:
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Re: VonZu's '78 4600 Four

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:23 pm
by VonZU
Recently i sent it to a local workshop to renew the clutch. There was nothing left.

I decided to have then pick apart the front axle as well, while they were at it. I knew there was an issue with the seal on the left "ball", and wanted to see what could be done about it. Not exactly shelf ware that axle.

Here you have the gasket. All hardened up, and leaking right through.
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But then I became somewhat dissapointed. I would have liked to be informed about stuff like this from the previous owner...
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I have contacted a local company that manufactures and repairs hydraulic cylinders. I know they have some "chemical metal" stuff that they spray on groves like this, to get a proper seal. I also hope they can manufacture new gaskets, as the gasket seems very much like the outer seal used on hydraulic cylinders.

I also discovered that there is no seal between the differential and the "ball". But then again, it might not be necessary. Does anyone know if I am lacking a seal here?
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What do I call this joint? Sound a bit poor with "the stuff inside the ball". On my car, I would call it a CV-joint on the driveshaft.

Re: VonZu's '78 4600 Four

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:40 pm
by frode
Yo!

Contact Mark Osbourne in England for parts. He has everything you need.

Frode

Re: VonZu's '78 4600 Four

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:39 pm
by VonZU
Done and done!

Re: VonZu's '78 4600 Four

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:05 pm
by Pascal
Hi VonZu,

That's a really great tractor! I am quite a County fan and I really like this 4600-4.
More pictures would be great! :mrgreen:

I collect County leaflets and have four leaflets of the 4600-4: two with the cab you have, one with the Duncan cab and one with the Ford Q-cab.
Interested in a copy of those?
Unfortunately I don't have the Australian versions:

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I might have a small book with some drawings of the 4WD axle somewhere? Do you want me to search the book for you?

I know there are other 4wd conversions like Schindler and Selene. They all have their own characteristics.
Do you know the difference between these and your County?
Is the word "County" stamped on your front axle or on the drive shaft?

I hope you will find the parts you need.

Re: VonZu's '78 4600 Four

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:52 pm
by VonZU
Pascal wrote:Hi VonZu,

That's a really great tractor! I am quite a County fan and I really like this 4600-4.
More pictures would be great! :mrgreen:
I'll definitely post more pictures as work progress on this tractor. I try to keep my threads in the way I like to read other threads. Pictures are important!
Pascal wrote:
I collect County leaflets and have four leaflets of the 4600-4: two with the cab you have, one with the Duncan cab and one with the Ford Q-cab.
Interested in a copy of those?
Unfortunately I don't have the Australian versions:
Yes, I am interested in a leaflet with the cab I have.
Pascal wrote:I might have a small book with some drawings of the 4WD axle somewhere? Do you want me to search the book for you?

That would be superb :clap:
Pascal wrote:I know there are other 4wd conversions like Schindler and Selene. They all have their own characteristics.
Do you know the difference between these and your County?
Is the word "County" stamped on your front axle or on the drive shaft?
I don't know. I'll have a look next time I pop by the workshop.
Pascal wrote:I hope you will find the parts you need.
Thanks. That makes two of us :D

Re: VonZu's '78 4600 Four

PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:11 pm
by Pascal
Hi VonZu,

Will this make you happy? :D

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I have bought this parts book for only GBP 5 at Stuart Gibbard.
http://gibbardtractors.co.uk/newstock/w ... chures.pdf
It's about 20 pages.

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Drive shaft
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Front axle
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The numbers refer to the master parts book, which I unfortunately don't have.
I guess they are for sale (on cd) regularly on eBay, if you are interested.

Please send me a PM with your email address if you want these original pictures of the parts book: they are 8MB each, so you can zoom in on details.

I hope this will come in handy for you.

Re: VonZu's '78 4600 Four

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:43 am
by VonZU
Pascal wrote:Please send me a PM with your email address if you want these original pictures of the parts book: they are 8MB each, so you can zoom in on details.
I hope this will come in handy for you.
Thanks Pascal! I just sent of a list to Mark Osborne, where I used your front axle drawing as reference. Thanks for the offer about the original pictures, but I have now started to search for the books themselves. It seems like it should be possible to get hold of some of them.

Re: VonZu's '78 4600 Four

PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:09 pm
by Pascal
Hi VonZu,

How's your 4600-4 doing? Did you managed to get all the parts?

I have a question? Is with your tractor the 4WD permanent working, as with the equal wheeled County's?
Or can you turn the 4WD on and off?

Re: VonZu's '78 4600 Four

PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:05 pm
by VonZU
Hello Pascal! Sorry for not paying proper attention to this thread. Busy with renovating living room and kitchen :shock: I now activated subscription for all my threads here...

Pascal wrote:How's your 4600-4 doing? Did you managed to get all the parts?
I have not gotten hold of any parts yet. Still waiting for a reply to my latest e-mail to Mark Osbourne. It's been a month now...
I used the picture from this thread, and asked for a recommendation to what parts I should order for renovating the front axle.

Pascal wrote:I have a question? Is with your tractor the 4WD permanent working, as with the equal wheeled County's?
Or can you turn the 4WD on and off?
The 4WD system is quite different from the equal wheeled County. There is only one prop shaft going forward from a break out box on the left side of the rear axle. There is a handle that can be used to engage and disengage the front axle drive. This is located on the left side in the cabin.

Re: VonZu's '78 4600 Four

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:30 pm
by frode
VonZU wrote:Hello Pascal! Sorry for not paying proper attention to this thread. Busy with renovating living room and kitchen :shock: I now activated subscription for all my threads here...

Pascal wrote:How's your 4600-4 doing? Did you managed to get all the parts?
I have not gotten hold of any parts yet. Still waiting for a reply to my latest e-mail to Mark Osbourne. It's been a month now...
I used the picture from this thread, and asked for a recommendation to what parts I should order for renovating the front axle.

Pascal wrote:I have a question? Is with your tractor the 4WD permanent working, as with the equal wheeled County's?
Or can you turn the 4WD on and off?
The 4WD system is quite different from the equal wheeled County. There is only one prop shaft going forward from a break out box on the left side of the rear axle. There is a handle that can be used to engage and disengage the front axle drive. This is located on the left side in the cabin.


May be easier giving him a call. Mark is not a computer-wizard :)

Re: VonZu's '78 4600 Four

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:13 pm
by VonZU
It's so convenient to just drop a mail, and then wait for something to happen. Not allways the most effective, though :D
Next on my list: Call Mark Osbourne.

Re: VonZu's '78 4600 Four

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:16 pm
by Pascal
Hi VonZu,

No problem at all.
This is hobby, so I am not in any rush. :mrgreen:

Too bad about the parts...I hope you will get them soon.

Thank you for the explenation about the 4WD-system. When 4WD is engaged, are the front wheels connected to the breaks too? So 4 wheel breaking, as on
the big wheelers?

Any detailed pictures of your great tractor would be great! :mrgreen:

I have posted my County leaflets. You might like them?

Re: VonZu's '78 4600 Four

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:38 pm
by VonZU
Pascal wrote:Hi VonZu,
Thank you for the explenation about the 4WD-system. When 4WD is engaged, are the front wheels connected to the breaks too? So 4 wheel breaking, as on
the big wheelers?
Yup. Blocks all four. Having the 4WD engaged also severely impacts the turn radius :clap:

Pascal wrote:Any detailed pictures of your great tractor would be great! :mrgreen:
Pictures will come in due time. A thread without pictures are too booring :) But the tractor is currently resting calmly in a workshop, awaiting new parts. As soon as I get it home, and do something to it, pictures will follow.

Pascal wrote:I have posted my County leaflets. You might like them?
I just might :mrgreen:

Re: VonZu's '78 4600 Four

PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:19 pm
by Pascal
Hi VonZu,

There's an original operators book for sale on eBay.
Item number 261183267988

May be it's something interesting for you?

Re: VonZu's '78 4600 Four

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 8:50 pm
by Pascal
Hi VonZu,

Did you get a chance to work on the County 4600-4 again now the weather is getting better? :mrgreen: 8)
I am looking forward to some pictures, especially from the front axle and the output shaft (from the rear axle).

Re: VonZu's '78 4600 Four

PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:00 pm
by Pascal
Hi VonZu,

How's your great 4600-4 doing?

I have recently bought the 4600-4 operator's manual and fitting instructions for the 4WD kit (unfortunately only in French and Spanish, but with several
pictures). Interested in a copy?

I am looking forward to pictures of your 4600-4! :clap:

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