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Mervyn Spencer
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posted December 14, 2007 18:52     Click Here to See the Profile for Mervyn Spencer   Click Here to Email Mervyn Spencer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi

Please can someone give me the length of the bolt that screws into the little black hole in the image just to the left above the proof meter cable connection. I am afraid to screw any bolt in as I don't know what damage I could do.

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Mervyn

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Brian
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posted December 14, 2007 21:03     Click Here to See the Profile for Brian   Click Here to Email Brian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mervyn,

That is a banjo bolt and has a "pigtail" pipe attached.I have done a quick check of the parts book and can not see it but I think you will find it is the same as the injector leak off ones that fit into the top of the injectors.

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Mervyn Spencer
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posted December 15, 2007 08:27     Click Here to See the Profile for Mervyn Spencer   Click Here to Email Mervyn Spencer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good Morning Brian

Thanks for the speedy reply, you are really a "Fundi" on your "Blues". I had another look at my workshop manual and there it was banjo bolt and pipe. Strangely though my pump did not have the pipe so I have no idea what was there initially. Could it have just been a 5/16"bolt or plug of sort?

I also took the liberty of looking up in the Dexta Parts List which I down loaded some time ago and again strangely the leak off pipe is not shown.

I will make an effort to find a banjo unit complete and fit it.

Thanks again for your assistance.

Kind regards
Mervyn

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strawhouse
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posted December 21, 2007 00:42     Click Here to See the Profile for strawhouse   Click Here to Email strawhouse     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This isn't so much a addition to the topic but more of an observation. The picture of your engine is so nice and clean! and very blue! Some day mine will look like that.

Sorry for the interuption

Andrew

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Mervyn Spencer
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posted December 21, 2007 06:40     Click Here to See the Profile for Mervyn Spencer   Click Here to Email Mervyn Spencer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Andrew

Thank you very much for the compliment. I'm slowly getting there with my restoration, been slow but enjoyable. Hopefully I will be able to post a more complete picture soon.

Have a Merry Christmas and fun filled 2008.

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Mervyn

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Dunggatherer
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posted December 25, 2007 10:35     Click Here to See the Profile for Dunggatherer   Click Here to Email Dunggatherer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Mervyn,i have a few sparepumps in my garage,so if you have a hard time locating one of those banjo thingies,just yell,and i'll be happy to send you one.
Ive got a pretty blue one...

Greetings from the cold Netherlands.
Rob.

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Mervyn Spencer
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posted December 26, 2007 16:38     Click Here to See the Profile for Mervyn Spencer   Click Here to Email Mervyn Spencer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Rob

Thanks for the offer of the banjo bolt especially the Blue One. After sending off my last post I phoned up the repair shop that rebuilt my pump about two years ago and asked him if was important to have the leak off pipe at all, and his reply was no, as it is important to change the oil in the pump when you carry out a engine oil change. So what I did was screwed a short bolt with the correct thread in and let it be. Not sure if the boys with the know will agree with what I have done.

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Mervyn

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Brian
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posted December 26, 2007 17:25     Click Here to See the Profile for Brian   Click Here to Email Brian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mervyn,

I am afraid I would seriously disagree with your diesel shop. In fact I would question their knowledge of Simms/CAV pumps.

All Minimec pumps are lubricated by diesel which is allowed to leak into the cam box area. Some of this diesel bypasses the front seal, again it is allowed to, and enters the governer housing, mixing with the oil in there. This level will build up and dilute the oil and can slow down the operation of the governer weights. This is why you have to change the oil in the pump.This oil has nothing to do with cam box lubrication it is purely for the governer unit.

Diesel will also build up in the cam box and the cam box needs to breath. Both these functions are carried out through the leakoff tube and excess diesel is allowed down the tube and onto the ground.

The leakoff tube has been a feature of Simms pumps for many years prior to the Minimec and you may see tractors at rallies which drip a small amount of diesel through this tube. This is normal. To blank it off is not something I would advise or do.

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Mervyn Spencer
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posted December 27, 2007 21:25     Click Here to See the Profile for Mervyn Spencer   Click Here to Email Mervyn Spencer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Brian
Thanks for your very informative response. I certainly will follow your advice, considering how expensive a pump is today.

Rob
I might just have to take you up on your offer of that Pretty Blue banjo thingie. Should I not be able to find one I will email you. Thanks for the offer.

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Mervyn

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Stumpy
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posted December 29, 2007 01:01     Click Here to See the Profile for Stumpy   Click Here to Email Stumpy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hope you don't mind if I hop onto this thread. My Dexta is put up at a friends barn right now. I have a '59 with the Simms pneumatic injection pump on it. I read quickly through the workshop manual and the owner's manual, but can't find any referance to changing oil in the pump. Can one of you let me know what I need to do?

Thanks for the help.

Stumpy

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Dunggatherer
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posted December 29, 2007 09:50     Click Here to See the Profile for Dunggatherer   Click Here to Email Dunggatherer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just went through all my paperwork and indeed it seems you are right Stumpy.
There is no need to service the fuel pump.
That's what it says...
Probably it is lubricated by the diesel,and it is important to change the fuel filter at regular intervals.
Also you need to clean the gauze at the side of the pump,and the breather on the governor,(or are they one and the same?)and that's it.

Goodluck!

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Dunggatherer
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posted December 29, 2007 09:55     Click Here to See the Profile for Dunggatherer   Click Here to Email Dunggatherer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Mervyn:

I have the banjo here waiting,with the pigtail attached.
I will include the bolt,which is kinda special since it has a groove lengthwise.
Also i will include two copper washers.
You may only need one,mine was mounted with only a washer under the bolthead,but you never know...

Later!

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Brian
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posted December 29, 2007 09:59     Click Here to See the Profile for Brian   Click Here to Email Brian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chaps,

Like the Major,some Dexta's were fitted with the Simms Minimec pump. All Super Dexta's had the Minimec from day 1 and the Dexta changed to the Minimec around 1963.

The Minimec is the pump that needs oil in the mechanical governer housing to lubricate the governer weights.

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Brian

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Mervyn Spencer
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posted December 29, 2007 11:11     Click Here to See the Profile for Mervyn Spencer   Click Here to Email Mervyn Spencer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Rob

Thanks for the offer again, I will contact you on your email.

Kind regards
Mervyn

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Mervyn Spencer
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posted December 29, 2007 11:18     Click Here to See the Profile for Mervyn Spencer   Click Here to Email Mervyn Spencer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks to all of you who added/helped towards my query, it certainly is a learning curve for me.

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Mervyn

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Stumpy
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posted December 30, 2007 01:07     Click Here to See the Profile for Stumpy   Click Here to Email Stumpy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for clearing that up, I feel much better now!

Stumpy

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MarkB
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posted January 01, 2008 06:20     Click Here to See the Profile for MarkB   Click Here to Email MarkB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dunggatherer, Would you take a picture of the "banjo bolt" and let me see what it looks like. I have the pig tail drain on my simms pump, but the other parts you describe, I'm not familiar with. You know what they say about a picture is worth a thousand words.
Thanks
Mark

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Dunggatherer
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posted January 20, 2008 10:33     Click Here to See the Profile for Dunggatherer   Click Here to Email Dunggatherer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Mark,i read that sometimes your emails disappear into oblivion,so my question is:
did you ever receive the picture of the banjo thingie i sent you?
Because i would be happy to send it again.

Greetings from the Netherlands.
Rob.

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MarkB
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posted January 21, 2008 04:11     Click Here to See the Profile for MarkB   Click Here to Email MarkB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope I didn't get it. Put fordson dexta in the subject line. I may have thought it was spam. I didn't get Tmac's either, it may have went the way of spam as well.
Thanks
Mark

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Dunggatherer
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posted January 21, 2008 16:51     Click Here to See the Profile for Dunggatherer   Click Here to Email Dunggatherer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okidoki,i'll send it again.

Rob.

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Mervyn Spencer
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posted January 23, 2008 21:40     Click Here to See the Profile for Mervyn Spencer   Click Here to Email Mervyn Spencer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, thought Rob(Dunggatherer) would be interested to see his leakoff pipe that he kindly posted to me now fitted. Now the black hole is no more.

Again I must thank Rob for sending me the leakoff pipe complete with bolt and washers at absolutely his own cost. so Rob one day when you visit South Africa or visa versa I owe you a couple of drinks.

Kind regards
Mervyn


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Dunggatherer
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posted January 24, 2008 21:46     Click Here to See the Profile for Dunggatherer   Click Here to Email Dunggatherer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep that's the best place this pigtail could end up.

Rob.

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