Hydraulics on my new major

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Hello,

Sins my fertilizer is mounted in my 3p hitch the lift arm drops rapidly. When I started to use the lift it went down in a night. That’s normal, I think. Now it lowers about an inch at a quarter of an hour. To much I think. I thought the piston ring was worn due to a bit of pit rust in the cylinder, so I have remove the hydraulic unit to check the cylinder. The piston ring looks all right and the pit rust is at a place were the piston ring will not come.
Next thought is that the problem is at a valve or something. Because I know nothing about hydraulics I don’t know were to begin or look for.
All help is welcome.

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Hello,

Today I have removed the Unloading valve, Check valve and Piston valve from the valve body. All the seats looks all right to me. No wear.
When I overhauled the lift cover, I put a new piston seal on the ram cylinder piston. It looks more as a oil seal than a piston seal to me. It has a small chamfer at the front and it’s a bit stiff plastic.
Would anyone know how the original seal looks like and is it still available?
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Post by Emiel »

Hello Henk,

Did you install this part?

http://www.histoparts.com/oscommerce/ca ... ts_id=1475

You might have fitted it backwards, which will cause problems.

Can't help you with what the old seal looks like. When I read your desciption, it might be that one of the valves is not free moving in the system. Could you take them out easily or not?

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Hello Emiel,

Thanks for the link.
I think my seal looks the same, but it hard to see. I'm sure it's not fitted backwards. Better order a new one to be sure.
All the valves came out easily and were looking good.
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Post by Brian »

Henk,

Is this any use? Its the new seal I had made and it works a treat. The PR Valve has been known to leak a bit depending on whether it is the needle version or the ball end version.

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Thanks Brian,

Mine looks like your bleu one but is green. I will try to make a detailed picture of mine.
Can’t understand witch valve type you mean. Will post a picture to.

Check with the boss about next Easter.
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Here are images from the valves and a pic from my piston seal.

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Only one half of the valve is on the picture.

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The valve is 4601 in your picture.
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Hello Brian,

The valve looks all right to me. I know they will leak a little bit but I think mine is leaking to much.
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Post by henk »

Hello,

Received a new piston seal yesterday, looks like the right shape to me, but it was to big. Outside it's 3,5 inch. The cylinder is 3 inch.
Could it be that the Super Major needs a bigger seal?
Also I ordered a new front crankshaft seal. This has a inner diameter from about66 mm, more than 2,5 inch. Looks to large to me. Anyone knows the right diameter?
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Hi Henk,

I got myself a new crankseal too. It has about the same inner diameter. The outside diameter is about 90 mm.
I haven't tried it on the crankshaft yet.

If I remember well, the old crankshaftseal could move pretty easy on the crankshaft too.

I am curious what the correct width should be.
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Post by henk »

Hello,

Today I received a new piston seal. Looks right right shape to me, although Brian changed the one I’m putting in for the one I’m getting out. I hope this will end the dropping. Let you know when things are back together.

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Hi Henk,

Good to read you have received the seals.
Hopefully the job will be easily done now.
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Post by henk »

Hello,

Today I reassembled my hydraulic unit and the new piston seal. The result was not what I had in mind. :cry: The lift drops a little slower but will not stay at the same height. :x I think there must be something else wrong. :?
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Thanks

Post by patch »

I saw this post but I was under the impression the problem was inside, under the seat top plate. I'm not the mechanic, :oops: .
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Post by Brian »

Not on a Major! Everything other than the pump, comes out the front without having to take the lift off. Very easy to fit a new piston seal.

Henk,
Just a thought, Have you got the pipe to the gearbox as a permanent fixture? If the tap was leaking slightly it would give your problem.
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Ok

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When I mowed with the pull mower it had a one way remote cylinder. Once I raised the arms up the diverted fluid raised the remote of course. The thing is the arms would drop right down but the remote stayed up with no problem until I moved the control down again as though I was lowering the arms. I enjoyed mowing with it.
A rare old International 7 foot haybine with crimp rollers but before the front reel was added.

Maybe I am mistaken about it riding in the up position, it has been a few years. I guess id did leak down as well.
Have to correct myself there. I just always managed to run it like that.
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Post by henk »

Brian,

Normally it's plugged off, and nothing is leaking on the coupling. I only use it to drain the back end and one of these day's I have to pump a bit back to the gearbox.
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Hello,

This is my solution for dropping the lift arms. Not my idea, it's common use by stabilising a sprayer. Works perfect. The fertilise spreader is steady as a rock and it won't lower. Of course you can’t use it when you have to raze and lower an implement for the job.

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Post by Pascal »

Looks great, Henk!

I have never seen such a construction like this. Great, that it works that good!
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dropping arms

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so have you got to the bottom of if yet I have the same problem. :?

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Hello Robin,

Still the same problem. :( Can't seem to find the course of it.
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slow drop

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have you found the problem yet keep looking on this page I have not seen anything posted? :D

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Post by Dandy Dave »

Looking at the score marks on the piston, I wonder if the cylinder is also scored and you are loosing fluid around the seal because of it. Dandy Dave!
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Post by John-Paul »

Henk - great minds think alike ;-) I have a similar arrangement of chains on my tractor. Mine just simply hook on at the top to allow quick and easy adjustment from the seat.

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