Toolbox mounting

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I know there's a number of posts on this, but I'd like to know if the box should be mounted to the top of the rail or the side of the flywheel housing when mounting on the starter side. Hyacinth did not have a toolbox mounted on her when we got her, and there are no holes on top of rail. I've looked on the parts page but don't see it.
For what it's worth she had a loader on her when we got her.
We don't have mudguards/fenders, but even when we do get some, I'd rather not put a toolbox there.
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I agree, the box was originally on the LH side of the bell housing in the upper holes on a Mk1 block and the middle holes on a Mk2 (the actual height of them above the side channel is the same) on all Major's, attacment to mudguards and elsewhere is a farm or dealer practice. I do recommend the mudguards as I missed the LH one very much when driving Billy during the time we fixed it (see this: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8339).
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Hyacinth finally has a toolbox. Only cordless drill we have did well!
Sandy thanks for the link to the fender thread. One of these days Hyacinth will get a set.
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leeroy wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:13 pm
Hyacinth finally has a toolbox. Only cordless drill we have did well!
Sandy thanks for the link to the fender thread. One of these days Hyacinth will get a set.
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period correct drill I would say :clap:
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Looking good.
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In the picture of the toolbox you can see the slobber at the exhaust elbow.
I know working Hyacinth hard will clear it up, but how bad is it to do lighter work with her?
Examples are pulling a small trailer through the woods gathering firewood, or skidding out firewood.
Neither of these seems to clear her up like running the square baler, but I enjoy using her more than any other tractor we own.
Starts easy in the cold too. She runs near 50 psi when under load and just under 30 at idle.
Can't get her near 170 either, even with shutters closed.
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It's alright to do those light jobs as long as you find a hard job every now and then and hopefully for at least 2 hours if possible (ploughing is really good for that). Sounds like the temp gauge might be out of calibration or more likely the thermostat has failed open or been removed. The oil pressure seems fine.
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I'll check temp with laser temp, but I think I did in the past and found them close to the same.
There is a thermostat but I cannot remember if I used the old one or replaced with new. Is there a "shroud" on the correct thermostat or will any normal one work? I may be thinking of another engine altogether.
What temps do you all see when doing light and heavy work? I do think baling brought it to just over 170*F.
We may do a patch of sweet corn this year. Plowing might only come close to an hour though.

As one shutter is missing I may put some cardboard in front of radiator unless advised not to.
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From memory the shroude thermostat was introduced with the mk2 engine. As you have shutters it should be a mk1 engine. Then a normal thermostat will do.

Parts can have been mixed up off course in the past.
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You don't need a shrouded thermostat, but I would probably get an original one anyway (AC TC3 or equivalent) but that's just me. Unfortunately Billy's current temp gauge doesn't work, and it's not even right, but I would be aming for the Ford spec of 180-195ºF, preferably closer to 195ºF. One hour is better than none, so don't worry about it, do make sure you give Hyacinth a good workout in that hour. I don't think you need bother about the missing shutter, if you find one get it but don't do more than that, Billy manages fine with no shutter.
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I must have a 160*F thermostat in Hyacinth. I will replace with 180.
Unless advised otherwise I will do another trailer load or two of firewood before replacing thermostat as I am behind on firewood and cold temps are on the way.
Will be interesting to see if this helps with the slobber at exhaust.
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Sounds like you've got an AC TC2 which is actually original for your period, but I think aimed more towards the TVO engine. I think you will be better to get a hotter one, but there's no real hurry, so you can quite happily get your wood loads. We'll need some soon as well. The exhaust should look better, I would clean it up to see what deposit you get in a run.
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Thanks Sandy. I happen to have found a 180 that was here. It's new and a spare for a Cummins 4bta, but from what I can tell
it has same dimensions to work for Hyacinth. I will clean exhaust up and see if there's any difference.
I did get some firewood in, but there's plenty more to get, I'm far behind this year.
It was 6*F this morning and stayed at 15*F all day. I almost started Hyacinth just to see how she would do, but decided to stay out of the woods.
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I would have gone out! That's good that you have that thermostat already. We've almost run out of wood, so we'll need some in a few days time.
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I did get our Ford 2120 (Shibaura) out in the cold to feed the cows a round bale and try to smooth out the frozen hoof marks in the mud that froze overnight. Phil, the 2120, is handy with a loader and small backhoe, but not as enjoyable to me as Hyacinth!
Phil has a new battery and started up ok after 20 seconds of the glow plugs. Phil donated his older battery to Hyacinth.
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Looks good, but I'm not surprised you needed a heater!
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New development: the thermostat that was in it, nor the one I had for a Cummins protrude above the cylinder head as shown in repair manual. Now I understand Sandy why you indicated the AC TC3 . I'm assuming it has a thicker flange.
I've found some crosses to some domestic cars so hopefully I can get one local today.
I now realize that the coolant was basically bypassing the thermostat as it circulated .
With thermostat, gasket and top installed I could reach down where hose would be and wiggle and lift up and down on the thermostat.
Unless the flange diameter needs to be larger not thicker? :scratchhead:
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The flange is quite thick (1/16") so it could be another argument against a modern one, but you could use a shim as specified in the Ford manual.
Could you post a pic of both of them please?
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Sandy here is a picture of one, but the one in it is identical. I took one from an old Ford truck engine, and it looks the same as well.
I think I was installing thermostat in wrong order. I was putting the 'stat in the head, then the gasket, then the connection.
Parts book shows gasket first, then 'stat, then connection.
Sound correct? I only got to run Hyacinth for a quick loop in the woods with just me on her. Only got up to just under 170F.
Hopefully I'll have time tomorrow to work her a little harder.
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Thanks for the pic. The parts book is wrong, the repair manual says thermostat, gasket and outlet casting. I think you do want a shim in there, if you could post a pic of the head and outlet too as I don't know if they're in good condition (like our half Super Major) or badly corroded (like Super Billy). It might also be worth seeing if the thermostat actually opens at the set temperature.
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Interesting,mI've been second guessing the order they are supposed to be in and thinking I may have been wrong.
I will get a picture, but unless anyone thinks I should not run her, I'd like to run some more firewood out.
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I would get the wood, it's always good to know you don't need to do any job while you're fixing something.
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Well I got it shimmed up and made sure to test the 180F thermostat in a pan on the stove. I started to open just over 180F and was fully opened at 190F. So installed in order shim, 'stat, gasket, and housing. Sorry Sandy no pics-cold killed phone pretty quick. The surfaces were in good shape in my opinion. Started her up, idled for 5min, then skidded a maple tree out to the woods, and skidded a nice dry oak back to the house. Not a heavy workout, and probably only 25 minutes of pulling.
It was around 30F and has been much colder. She barely got to 165F. Haven't found my laser temp gun, but I'm pretty confident that the temperature gauge is correct. Bottom hose warm and top hose is warmer but not uncomfortable the hold onto.

While scavenging around looking for thermostats I found an old interesting one from a Volvo Duet. Smaller than Hyacinths.
Not sure if this is a shrouded thermostat.
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That's a nice thermostat! It's not a shrouded thermostat but it is a bellows thermostat, Hyacinth would have started out with an AC TC2 (or similar) which looks almost identical. That seems a bit cool, but it might just be you need to work a bit harder to see. Definitely worth seeing if the temp gauge is accurate.
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"What temps do you all see when doing light and heavy work? I do think baling brought it to just over 170*F.
We may do a patch of sweet corn this year. Plowing might only come close to an hour though.

As one shutter is missing I may put some cardboard in front of radiator unless advised not to."

In East of England in 1960's often put cardboard over bottom third of radiator when doing light work. Why not plough the sweet corn ground twice?

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