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Need help with Allis Chalmers M
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:11 pm
by Mathias
Just bought myself a Allis chalmers model M (crawler), The engine is beyond repar and i need help and info with an new engine.
I think it is the same engine as in the allis chalmers model U.
Here she is

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:35 pm
by Dunggatherer
Hi Mathias,
Maybe these guys can help you,
http://www.allischalmers.com/
Or place an ad in "Traktor-Magasin för jordnära entusiaster.
Is that picture taken in Smaland?
( can't find the "a" with the "o" on top)
Nice crawler by the way...
Greetings from the Netherlands.
PS Could you go and say HI to my brother in Hult? Eksjö Kommun.
Edit: Just went through my archive and found in an old issue of
"Old Tractor" that the Model U and M were fitted with the UM-engine.
This engine has a 4-3/8 in. bore and a 5 in. stroke.
28 drawbar horsepower and very reliable,it says here.
You could also backorder "Old Tractor" issue March 2004.
That contains a special on the AC model M crawler.
http://www.oldtractor.co.uk/cgi-bin/pur ... =2004&s=bi
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:57 pm
by Mathias
Thanks. Good info
I thougt that the engine was 38hp.
The picture is taken i Värmland not småland. Acctualy it is still at the seller but i will try to take it home (to Västergötaland) next week.
Will order that magazine
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:35 pm
by Dunggatherer
Ah Värmland,the landscape looked somewhat like the drive from Nässjö to Jönköping to me...
Anyway,i just thought i'd react to the question in your lineup of tractors.
Bray was a company that took Fordson and later Ford skid-units (and maybe other brands too)and built their own machines on it.
Like halftracks,dozers and imho the most impressive one;the Centaur.
That is a tractor with four equal wheels with the Ford 590E engine.
It could carry a 5-furrow plough up front and on the rear,and the idea was that you did not have to turn on the headland,you just put it in reverse and continued ploughing the other way.
You are not going to tell us you own such a beast huh?
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:41 pm
by Mathias
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:23 pm
by Dunggatherer
Yes,i remember that topic!
Ok another dive in the archive yields the following info;
The part up front is simply called a Bray Loader.
Not that it's simple,but other types had names like Hydraloader or Dualoader.
The tractor itself resembles a Bray BL 430,although these were 4WD.And only 2 were built.
The cabin i can't find in the book.
The same goes for the implement on the back.
I read though that Bray mounted Sherman implements too.
So all in all i would say you bought yourself a pretty special machine.
Now the info i found comes from the book "Ford Tractor Conversions" by Stuart Gibbard.
There's a whole chapter on Bray and Matbro,who joined forces later on.
Today their stuff is sold as Terex.
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:30 pm
by Mathias
I like special machines
Acctualy i know of two more Bray diggers.
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:49 pm
by Dunggatherer
And it wasn't a long drive from Ulricehamn to Sandhult.
Are the other diggers also only 4000 Kr?
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:53 pm
by Mathias
OKey ??
Where did you get 4000kr from?
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:12 pm
by Dunggatherer
Oops i misread that...
You guessed the owner only got some 4000 sek from the scrapper.
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:25 pm
by Mathias
Aha then i see.
The other Brays are not for sale.
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:33 pm
by henk
Hello Mathias,
You could try this forum:
http://antiquetractorsforum.com/index.php
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:06 am
by Oscar
The landscape on that photo is georgeous (the crawler too). Too bad it's dark there 6 months of the year so you can't see it...

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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:24 pm
by Dunggatherer
Hi Mathias,check out this video.
After about 1 minute there's a tractor that looks like yours.
Search for "ferrari tractor story and cat" on youtube.
Love the music too...
Greetings from Rob the Dunggatherer
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:01 pm
by Mathias
Here is a little nice video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_eBdSdHKPI
Gret music.
Yes Sweden is Beutiful.
This is how it looks at my place.
