posted July 24, 2006 20:11               

Early 5000's were also badged the same but the square shape gives them away. They are a "world tractor" and were built in the US, GB and Belgium. 1965 to 1968 models were a nightmare over hear and I spent many monthe trying to sort out problems with engines and lifts. After 1968 they were good tractors. ( But never as good as the old Super)( I'm biased) .

posted July 24, 2006 21:17               

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Originally posted by Brian:
They are totally different tractors. Nothing is the same as the Major/Super Major. Ford did import the Super to the US market and badged it "Super Major 5000" and painted it grey tinwork/blue castings. Made it look beautiful.

Early 5000's were also badged the same but the square shape gives them away. They are a "world tractor" and were built in the US, GB and Belgium. 1965 to 1968 models were a nightmare over hear and I spent many monthe trying to sort out problems with engines and lifts. After 1968 they were good tractors. ( But never as good as the old Super)( I'm biased) .

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posted July 25, 2006 00:03               

This tractor is coming up for auction in my area this week. Is this the Ford 5000 that you are thinking of ??? I have also heard from folks around my area that they are really good tractors. I saw one on ebay with 3500 hours recently go for $6500. They seem to be a pretty desirable tractor in my area also if you can find one in good shape.

Thanks,

posted July 25, 2006 00:39               

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Originally posted by ScottL:
Tmac,

This tractor is coming up for auction in my area this week. Is this the Ford 5000 that you are thinking of ??? I have also heard from folks around my area that they are really good tractors. I saw one on ebay with 3500 hours recently go for $6500. They seem to be a pretty desirable tractor in my area also if you can find one in good shape.

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Thanks,

Scott

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posted July 25, 2006 10:41               

The industrial engines were modified/improved Super engines made in England. These were the ones we old Ford mechanics think should have gone into the later Fords. They were used in everything from road graders to boats and were really great units.

"FL" on the head denotes a design change to the inlet and exhaust porting which improve fuel/air mixing and increased the HP. Was only fitted to the later "New Performance" Super Majors and industrial units.

The engine in the 5000 was a US designed "square" unit.

It was one of the worst engines Ford ever made and lost them a lot of business here in Europe. The engines were built over here in the new factory at Basildon.

From what I remember Basildon built the engines for the whole of the worlds Ford tractor plants at the time but its strange that over in the US you did not seem to have the problems we did. But then from what I have gleaned, you don't seem to have many of the 1965-1968 tractors over there. All seem to be the later '68 versions with the more powerful engine.

The picture Scott posted is of the later 1968 tractor which was a far better machine. There were so many mods to that engine it was nearly a new design. It was even increased HP from 65 to 78.

The truck engine in the 1960's was again a "square" unit but was laid on its side so it did not get used in any other units. I'm not to well up in these engines but there was some interchangeability in the parts.

Just in case someone does not know what I mean by "over square" or "square" engines. A "square" engine has an equal bore size and stroke. An "over square" has a bigger bore than stroke.

The best engine to come out of the changes in 1965/1965 was the 4000.It was an "over square".

Apart from the bad starting, compared to the Super Major, it would out-perform the 5000. We had to "handycap" it when demonstrating both of them together.

It was a worthy succesor to the Super and is one of my all time favorite tractors. We have one that works with me and Nuffy. They are about the same HP as its one of the later versions. The gear ratios cannot compare with Nuffy and she does not pull as well under load. But at least it has a "Q" cab and power steering!

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Kind regards
Brian

posted July 26, 2006 08:59               

tmac, you made mention of a Commander tractor. The Ford 6000 was known as a Commander. This tractor was only sold in USA, Canada and Australia. The Diesel engine in this tractor started life as a petrol powered truck engine.

posted July 27, 2006 04:13               

What great information in this thread. I asked this question in the ford forum over at ytmag when they were talking about fordsons vs fords but no one would bite so I see if someone over here might bite.

From your experience with different models of fords and fordson that you mention in this thread what is you personal favorite and why ???

Thanks,

Scott

posted July 27, 2006 09:29               

I can only say "Henrietta" because she is listening just outside my office!

My problem is I love them all, even though I curse and tend to run down the 1965 to 1968 models. They were a challenge and I love a challenge.

After my lady, I suppose, a little 4610 4WD with shuttle box would come high on my list, then the 7000 range, a beautiful underrate tractor with Load Monitor, one of the best items fitted to a tractor but not accepted by the market.

Then would come the 9000. I demonstrated the first 9000 in England at a show organised by my old company. Talk about excited and proud to drive THAT beast. Straight off the show stand too.

Mustn't forget the original Henrietta, a model N. I had some great times with those too.

One of the nicest tractors to drive outside the Ford range is a Nuffield 10/60. I don't think I have driven a more comfortable tractor. Then of course my "Nuffy" with the best range of gears for a tractor of that age.

Not forgetting "Super Sue" my Super Major with her wonderfully sensitive hydraulics that will get you through the worst conditions without dif. lock.

Then of course "my" petrol Dexta with the smoothest engine. Like driving cream!

I could go on and on and on and.......

posted July 27, 2006 19:43               

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Originally posted by Brian:
Lot of questions Bob! The Commander 5000 could be the one that my books say is the Ford Super Major 5000. This ran from 1963 to 1964 and was a re-badged Super.

The industrial engines were modified/improved Super engines made in England. These were the ones we old Ford mechanics think should have gone into the later Fords. They were used in everything from road graders to boats and were really great units.

"FL" on the head denotes a design change to the inlet and exhaust porting which improve fuel/air mixing and increased the HP. Was only fitted to the later "New Performance" Super Majors and industrial units.

The engine in the 5000 was a US designed "square" unit.

It was one of the worst engines Ford ever made and lost them a lot of business here in Europe. The engines were built over here in the new factory at Basildon.

From what I remember Basildon built the engines for the whole of the worlds Ford tractor plants at the time but its strange that over in the US you did not seem to have the problems we did. But then from what I have gleaned, you don't seem to have many of the 1965-1968 tractors over there. All seem to be the later '68 versions with the more powerful engine.

The picture Scott posted is of the later 1968 tractor which was a far better machine. There were so many mods to that engine it was nearly a new design. It was even increased HP from 65 to 78.

The truck engine in the 1960's was again a "square" unit but was laid on its side so it did not get used in any other units. I'm not to well up in these engines but there was some interchangeability in the parts.

Just in case someone does not know what I mean by "over square" or "square" engines. A "square" engine has an equal bore size and stroke. An "over square" has a bigger bore than stroke.

The best engine to come out of the changes in 1965/1965 was the 4000.It was an "over square".

Apart from the bad starting, compared to the Super Major, it would out-perform the 5000. We had to "handycap" it when demonstrating both of them together.

It was a worthy succesor to the Super and is one of my all time favorite tractors. We have one that works with me and Nuffy. They are about the same HP as its one of the later versions. The gear ratios cannot compare with Nuffy and she does not pull as well under load. But at least it has a "Q" cab and power steering!

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posted July 27, 2006 20:15               

The later Fordson tractors had FoMoCo cast into several castings, which means Ford Motor Company. So you just have quite "ordinary" Ford engines.

posted July 27, 2006 23:54               

The whole company was divided up into different areas. Cars, trucks, tractors and industrial. Eventually hind sight shows the reason.

Ford kept the cars, trucks became Iveco with Fiat, tractors went to New Holland Geotec again with Fiat and industrial went their own way.

Although we were Ford car, truck and tractor agents, we were not allowed to hold an industrial agency. That was held by another company who sold combines and was a Mercedes, Perkins and Ford Industrial agent.

So although we sold County, Roadless and various other units with Ford engines, we were not allowed to hold spares and had to buy parts as a sub dealer from a company who was not a dedicated Ford supplier. And we were one of the biggest Ford dealers in the country! We were agents for cars, trucks and tractors and actually made parts for Ford in our extensive machine shops.

EnFo disappeared as a company in the late 1950's when the control went to Detroit and the logo became FoMoCo. So all the later engines and parts, all castings etc, all the spare parts packaging were marked FoMoCo until Ford finally disposed of the company.