This and that about Ford 590E engines.

Grani · Post by **Grani** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:05 pm

Bensdexta wrote:
Grani wrote:When I was about 5 years old I got a Thames Trader truck toy from my mother, but it was on my request. I seem to have had good taste from the beginning. I have a picture of me playing with the truck and I am going to show You when I find it.
Did Finland buy much British stuff in the 1950's, when Finland lived in the shadow of the Russian bear?
All the best,
Ben

I definitely hope they did. The "bear" took a lot of compensation for loss suffered after the war.

Pascal · Post by **Pascal** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:02 pm

Hi JC,

Today I checked the other code on my 6 cilinder block.
It's D 6 F.

Sinceit has a vacuum governor, it should be around 1957-1961.

Pascal · Post by **Pascal** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:08 pm

Hi guys,

Frans and I had a little discussion about the air cleaner (inlet) for a 6 cilinder.
Will a standard (4 cylinder) air cleaner do? Or is a bigger air cleaner (like the one of a combine) needed?
Does it makes a difference whether you have a vacuum or a mechanical governor for the air cleaner?

Grani · Post by **Grani** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:43 pm

Pascal wrote:Hi guys,

Frans and I had a little discussion about the air cleaner (inlet) for a 6 cilinder.
Will a standard (4 cylinder) air cleaner do? Or is a bigger air cleaner (like the one of a combine) needed?
Does it makes a difference whether you have a vacuum or a mechanical governor for the air cleaner?

The 4 cyl aircleaner is to small for the six. I try with the original Major cleaner but the revs stop at 1900 rpm with the pneumatic governor. I have not try with the Minimec but I am afraid that it sucks the oil from the cleaner when it reach the max revs. It needs a lot more air than the 4 cyl because it has max 2500rpm instead of 1900 rpm an two cyl more, it could be the double

Frans · Post by **Frans** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:57 pm

I will look tomorrow what the differends are between my 4 and 6 cyl I have I think it the same as the 4 cyl but the inlet hose was a home made maybe there came some air trough that.

I have the major(roadless) all in pieces so I cant try at this moment

Grani · Post by **Grani** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:08 pm

On this picture the yellow engine has the original aircleaner.

Emiel · Post by **Emiel** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:23 pm

Hello,

I have a original Ford parts list available for these engines. Parts list owners edition 1963 for 4 & 6 cilinders industrial engines. Diesel 3811 & 5416 cc Petrol 3200 & 4888 CC.

This manual gives one part number for the oil bath air filter assembly, which is E1ADDN-18205-B.

For the top cleaner (hat shape thing) there are more different numbers available, one for mechanical governed diesels and petrol engines and one for pneumatic governed diesels.

The dry element types have different filters for 4 and 6 cilinders.

In my opinion the original one should do, when everything is perfect. But experience on this board avaialbe shows it won't work perfectly.

Just give it a try Pascal.

Best regards

Emiel

Grani · Post by **Grani** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:33 pm

Yes I have the same thing in my book.

Pascal · Post by **Pascal** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:35 pm

Thank you, guys, for your reactions!!

JC · Post by JC » Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:41 am

Pascal
D6F is April 6, 1961, according to Major casting codes, so both casting codes fit between 1957-61.

JC · Post by JC » Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:00 am

I just got out my calculator and did a little figuring on air cleaner size.

A 220 cubic inch engine running at 1900 rpm uses 1451 cfm of air.
A 330 cubic inch engine running at 2500 rpm uses 2864 cfm of air.
Grani is right. The 590E uses twice as much air.

County thought the 590E should have a bigger air cleaner, too.

Grani · Post by **Grani** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:01 am

Roadless have the same thoughts.

JC · Post by JC » Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:01 pm

It looks like County and Roadless used the same air cleaner. Were they originally made for the Thames Trader?

Frans · Post by **Frans** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:19 pm

So wanted 2 of that pre aircleaner as on the roadless/county one for Pascal and one for me.

Grani, How did you solve that with you loader the cleaner must be under the hoot ?

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Grani · Post by **Grani** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:19 am

Frans wrote:Grani, How did you solve that with you loader the cleaner must be under the hoot ?

On this old picture You can se it in the middle of the loaderframe opening. It is a paper filter (Lamborghini). It has a silver colour and cylider shape.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w315 ... ge0004.jpg

Pascal · Post by **Pascal** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:31 pm

Thank you for your reactions, guys!
Frans and I will be looking for 2 of those filters indeed.

We will keep you posted about these filters.

Pascal · Post by **Pascal** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:44 pm

Hi guys,

I am busy cleaning my engine and try to loosen the bolts on the engine. Surprisingly it goes pretty well

except for the waterpump

So at this moment penetrating oil is my best friend.

Next week I will try to take off the upper tile of the engine: the thin metal "hood" that covers the valves. The reason is that I was recommened to check if the valves aren't stuck.
Do you have any advices in this?
It's meant as a first check; on a later moment I will inspect teh complete engine.

Do I have to tighten the bolts at a certain strenght? Or is this only necessary with the cylinderhead?

Grani · Post by **Grani** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:32 pm

Pascal wrote:
Do I have to tighten the bolts at a certain strenght? Or is this only necessary with the cylinderhead?

No it is not nessesary but don´t overtight them.
Before start check that the governor moves easy. You can do it by turning the stoplever back and forth and listen for an airbreading sound from the membrane. The membrane is good to check to because if the governor don´t work properly the engine will go to max rpm when it starts and it can be hard to get it to stop.

Pascal · Post by **Pascal** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:28 pm

Hi Grani,

Thank your for your advices.
I have checked the vacuum governor yesterday. Suprisingly the rubber is as new!

The rubber on my 4 cylinder was broke and I experienced, that it's not a nice moment when the engine revs up to max when starting.

Grani · Post by **Grani** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:59 pm

I have a friend who needs new camshaftbearings for his 590E engine. I have check some spare part dealers but found nothing. Is here someone who knows where to ask?

Pascal · Post by **Pascal** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:53 pm

Hi Grani,

I'm searching for you on the internet.
Is "camshaft" the same as "con rod"?
I guess not?

Grani · Post by **Grani** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:10 pm

Pascal wrote:Hi Grani,

I'm searching for you on the internet.
Is "camshaft" the same as "con rod"?
I guess not?

I guess not either. When I search the dictionary there was a lot of words and one pair of them was unfaitful d***

Pascal · Post by **Pascal** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:37 pm

Hi Grani,

That's too bad, because those parts areeasy to find on the internet.
If one of the other members cannot help you, I will have a look at part dealer in the Netherlands; I need some parts for my 590e too.
A photo or a picture from the parts book would help.

Emiel · Post by **Emiel** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:46 am

Hello Pascal,

Grani zoekt de nokkenas lagers voor zijn motorblok. Waarschijnlijk 508E 6261-E of F.

Ik ben ze ook nog nooit online tegen gekomen. Richard Pit of Histoparts bellen lijkt me een zinvol idee.

For those who don't speak dutch, I only made a translation and mentioned some names of well known parts suppliers.

Gr

Emiel

Grani · Post by **Grani** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:24 am

Ik dank u bij voorbaat voor jullie me helpen.

I have found the original partnumbers for the camshaft bearings. The first bearing has number 508E-6261-E for std size and 508E-6261-F for 020" oversize. And the 6 other have 508-6252-B for std and 508-6252-F for 020" oversize.