Oil flow

[Dazo1960]

I have been stripping and cleaning the engine of the gunk for nearly 3 weeks . rocker tube,cylinder head,oil ports in inspection cover, sump pan off and cleaned oil saturated, oil pipe feed to pump. Every thing put back but not the cylinder head started turning over the engine but no oil flow any one any ideas regards Darryl

[AdrianNPMajor]

Hello Darryl
The block is bored longitudinally and laterally. The longitudinal boring, stopped by brass bungs either end, is only accessible by removing the engine. The process of cleaning the oil galleries really does require a thorough approach. These galleries need cleaning out with a pull-through (a bit like cleaning a rifle barrel). You also need to clean out every other oil channel including the ones going through the crank - the oil flow to the rockers comes via the crank and cam shaft.
You can see the longitudinal oil gallery opening in the photo below - it's on the far left, level with the opening that shows the cylinder liner.
Best, Adrian.

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[super6954]

Hi
As you seem to keep posting about this motor and the same problem, Can you please tell us exactly what the history behind this engine is. Like did it knock or hammer/ vibrate rattle/ smoke or breath a blue haze from the breather or any other place when running, and what you have exactly checked instead of you and us guessing all the time. to try help you we need the exact story. Like have you looked at crank bearings , tested the oil pump/ it's drive and all that good stuff , other than just trying to get the sludge out.

There are a whole lot of things this could be and I have an opinion on this motor you flat out won't like and I couldn't print here. If I get real honest about it from what I'm hearing with no oil pressure and all the sludge in it .. I think a few more probably think the same to, That have any experience and are reading this . If you have no experience and this is your first tractor/engine work your going to probably learn a lot fast here about the insides of Fordson Engines.
From my 25 odd years experience sludge like that means poor maintenance for a great number of years and chances are there are many worn parts or problems in there as a result.
A rebuilt or half decent Fordson diesel will run and sound like a well maintained sowing machine . A bad one will still probably start pretty decent but it will smoke bad have blow by and not much power and may knock or rattle a bit and have very low or no oil pressure .
Sometimes Denial can be a wonderful thing until, reality comes along and hoofs a guy hard.
Regards Robert

[Dazo1960]

I bought this tractor on the grounds that it was 90 percent restored the fellow I bought it from told me that the engine had been restored and that nothing needed doing to the engine . A wiring loom wanted fitting and the tractor would fire up. The more I have tried to get the vehicle started and the more I have looked in to the problems the problems are stacking.'i came home from work this afternoon and removed the timing cover to find that the cam bearing is in tatters. I am going to contact the seller in the morning I think it will be going back because off the state the engine is in regards Darryl

[super6954]

Hi Darryl
Sorry to here that news, it kinda sucks for you with buying it and the reality you now have . Also sorry if I was a bit hard on you with my last reply . I deal with this stuff most days for customers here, and when the whole information comes out sometimes It can save a load of problems, and aid in the accurate diagnoses fairly quick.
Now we know and I guess my unprintable intuition of the engine was right sadly.

Hopefully you can get out ok with the seller, I see loads of these tractors on Ebay and the listings are down right bull c!@# if a guy knows the tractors good, even with just looking at pictures .
The last guy i saw selling a "Best one around" fully restored super on U.K ebay, wasn't to happy when he was told the only part of it that was super was the back axle and grill badge, and there was parts still missing to . He figured it was worth 5000 quid . He knew though as he was a "Ford and fordson Collector" from his snotty reply but I think he was hoping for the catch of the day, with someone that didn't know .

Good Luck with the out come, if you get money back to repair it, or buy another fordson tractor. we will help you out here still. there is a heck of a lot of experience on this forum ,if your thinking of buying another even come back and ask questions if your not sure about anything with it, if you want to .
Please Let us know how it turns out in the end also.
Regards Robert

[Brian]

You might not get oil from the port to the head just by turning over with the starter, sometimes it takes a few minutes for it to get up to the rockers with the engine running. You have got to fill all the galleries in the block before oil will get up to the rockers. That is why, when rebuilding engines I use Molybdenum (sp) grease when assembling crank and B/E bearings as this protects them until the oil gets round. Mercedes-Benz engines in Claas Dominator series combines always recommended churning the engine over for two minutes with the stop pulled before every cold start to get the oil to the filter.

As has been said, it is a steep learning curve when buying tractors, even a fully show ready tractor may not be what it seems. At shows some do not have oil in because of leaks as more time is spent on the paintwork than on the mechanics. Things like engines, gearboxes and hydraulics come very low down on the list of things to do for these people.

If you read the tractor magazines, you quite often see that the reports state "engine and gearbox was OK so just changed the fluids" when most people know that if a tractor has been working for 50 plus years there are going to be some problems. Only last year Pascal and I witnested a beautifully restored Perkin L4 powered E27N converted to a Road Roller at the Norfolk Show, which could not pull itself along as the engine was so bad. The paintwork was to a very high standard though.

That is why I like to see tractors in their working clothes, "unrestored and unpainted". My collection does not look special but they all start on the button and everything works.