It's wonderful, having this site here, and being able to ask Q's and get proper answers!!
Here is another Q;
My old FSM has started to slobber a bit of black-looking oil from either the back end of the manifold, or the cylinder head gasget in the same general area.
It has been doing a good lot of work, but mainly light work.
Brush-mowing, and harrowing pasture, hay-land, and harrowing in grain, and harrows are only 24 feet.
Do you chaps think it needs some Hard work, to clean it up?,....or do you think it has another problem?
No loss of power or anything, and manifolds appear tight.
I must say this tractor never ceases to amaze me, it'll slug its way up hills where I have to change down with other tractors, and I must rank it one of the toughst customers out there for plain guts.
That, and the fact that it will turn with the steering wheel, (without using the independant brakes on loose soil) makes it a real joy to use.
I think they got it right when it was made.(1961)
Thanks to this forum for being here, and to anyone taking time to read this!
Richard.
Work needed?
Richard,
Thank you for your comments.
Hard work would be the first thing I would try, the harder the better. That does not mean high revs. it means a good steady pull at a high loading.
Thank you for your comments.
Hard work would be the first thing I would try, the harder the better. That does not mean high revs. it means a good steady pull at a high loading.
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Brian
Thank you for the reply, Brian.
I have been wracking my brains, what work I could give it. I don't have a plough for it, or a disc or cultivator.
The harrowing has been in 5th gear, (top in the low box) but this doesn't tax it much.
Do you have any suggestions what would give it a work-out?
What I really want to find, is a Ransomes plough.
Thanks again Brian,
Richard.
I have been wracking my brains, what work I could give it. I don't have a plough for it, or a disc or cultivator.
The harrowing has been in 5th gear, (top in the low box) but this doesn't tax it much.
Do you have any suggestions what would give it a work-out?
What I really want to find, is a Ransomes plough.
Thanks again Brian,
Richard.
Brian,
It did get a couple of days with a JD brush mower. This work was a bit rough, as I was cutting grass/willows/poplar re-growth, and some of it was well above my head, but not really thick.
This didn't seem to cure the problem.
After writing my last post, it came to me that the rotorvator might work. It's only about 4ft 6in wide, but HEAVY, with big old blades.
It also came to me I could sow my hay-mix and oats with it, using a 12ft hoe drill.
I'll see how it goes after some work. If it's still slobbering, it might be worn seals or valve guides, do you think?
Sort of hate to pull it apart, as it's running so well, but time will likely tell!
Thank you again for taking time to reply, Brian.
All the best,
Richard.
It did get a couple of days with a JD brush mower. This work was a bit rough, as I was cutting grass/willows/poplar re-growth, and some of it was well above my head, but not really thick.
This didn't seem to cure the problem.
After writing my last post, it came to me that the rotorvator might work. It's only about 4ft 6in wide, but HEAVY, with big old blades.
It also came to me I could sow my hay-mix and oats with it, using a 12ft hoe drill.
I'll see how it goes after some work. If it's still slobbering, it might be worn seals or valve guides, do you think?
Sort of hate to pull it apart, as it's running so well, but time will likely tell!
Thank you again for taking time to reply, Brian.
All the best,
Richard.
Rotovating would be ideal.
The cause of your problem is the carbon seal on the pistons getting softened and washed away. The cylinder bores can also glaze meaning the rings do not seal and oil can get up past them.
When you work the tractor the carbon seal hardens and reforms. This reduces the oil getting into the combustion chamber. With work the engine runs at a higher temperature and this helps to burn what little oil does get up there.
I would have expected to see oil out of the breather and fumes in the sump iof your engine was worn enough to pump oil out of the exhaust.
The cause of your problem is the carbon seal on the pistons getting softened and washed away. The cylinder bores can also glaze meaning the rings do not seal and oil can get up past them.
When you work the tractor the carbon seal hardens and reforms. This reduces the oil getting into the combustion chamber. With work the engine runs at a higher temperature and this helps to burn what little oil does get up there.
I would have expected to see oil out of the breather and fumes in the sump iof your engine was worn enough to pump oil out of the exhaust.
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Brian
Brian
Thanks for the rotovating tip Brian.
Will give it a go, (when the Snow leaves us again!)
no oil out of breather, or fumes in sump.
Hardly uses any oil at all between changes.
Doesn't blow any oil when the dipstick is pulled...(the old '54 FM we had back in England did!)
I will let you know how she is when we've done a bit of rotorvating.
Funny you know, but when I get on this old tractor, I always Appreciate it, even if I do have one or two a bit more modern ones.
Thanks again,
Richard.
Will give it a go, (when the Snow leaves us again!)
no oil out of breather, or fumes in sump.
Hardly uses any oil at all between changes.
Doesn't blow any oil when the dipstick is pulled...(the old '54 FM we had back in England did!)
I will let you know how she is when we've done a bit of rotorvating.
Funny you know, but when I get on this old tractor, I always Appreciate it, even if I do have one or two a bit more modern ones.
Thanks again,
Richard.
Thanks for the idea, Fenhayman.
I think there will be some soft ground, when this snow clears off!
It's a bit wet in places at the best of times.
Only trouble is my temp. gauge doesn't work, so have to watch it a bit if working hard, though up to now she's never seemed to get really warm.
Do you now if new gauges are available anywhere?
This is a FSM, and all the gauges are in one clock, so to speak.
Thanks again!
Richard.
I think there will be some soft ground, when this snow clears off!
It's a bit wet in places at the best of times.
Only trouble is my temp. gauge doesn't work, so have to watch it a bit if working hard, though up to now she's never seemed to get really warm.
Do you now if new gauges are available anywhere?
This is a FSM, and all the gauges are in one clock, so to speak.
Thanks again!
Richard.
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I like to use Agriline products. http://www.agrilineproducts.com/major_catalogue.html
I see they have added stuff for the Fordson Major line since last year also. Got quite a bit of stuff from them for my Power Major, including a new gauge cluster and tach. Dandy Dave!
I see they have added stuff for the Fordson Major line since last year also. Got quite a bit of stuff from them for my Power Major, including a new gauge cluster and tach. Dandy Dave!
Have a Fordsonful day Folks!
1960 Fordson Power Major
1960 Fordson Power Major
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Dandy Dave!Dave,
It's good to know that they ship across the pond with no bother,
Thanks again.
I don't know, but I Think my head gasget might have gone.
Was pulling the hoe drill with her, and she amazed me how easy she did it! was in 5th gear, when she puffed some steam from the overflow pipe.
Didn't seem too hot, lower hose felt very cool, & rad. was cool. The gauge isn't working.
Stopped her after running with no load for a short while.
Coolant was somewhere out of sight.
left her stand 'till morning.
Took 2 gallons to fill her up!
Pulled out the thermostat and tried it. it works just like it should.
When I filled her up with water, a few bubbles broke the surface, but with 2 galls added, that is to be expected.
Not had time to start her up again, but will do so with rad. cap off, and watch for 'eruptions'
The oil is fine. No water in it, so I'm thinking it must be the head gasget.
What do you think?
I can't smell anti-freeze, as I lost most of my smell with a sinus op.
BTW, pulling the hoe drill with the FSM was the most pleasant and easiest I've ever done it.
With the JD, I'm stepping on the independants for every corner. On the Ford, I never touched them once!
It just went where it was pointed.
I think she's half magic, and Need to get her put right!
Thanks again for your time and answers.
Richard.
It's good to know that they ship across the pond with no bother,
Thanks again.
I don't know, but I Think my head gasget might have gone.
Was pulling the hoe drill with her, and she amazed me how easy she did it! was in 5th gear, when she puffed some steam from the overflow pipe.
Didn't seem too hot, lower hose felt very cool, & rad. was cool. The gauge isn't working.
Stopped her after running with no load for a short while.
Coolant was somewhere out of sight.
left her stand 'till morning.
Took 2 gallons to fill her up!
Pulled out the thermostat and tried it. it works just like it should.
When I filled her up with water, a few bubbles broke the surface, but with 2 galls added, that is to be expected.
Not had time to start her up again, but will do so with rad. cap off, and watch for 'eruptions'
The oil is fine. No water in it, so I'm thinking it must be the head gasget.
What do you think?
I can't smell anti-freeze, as I lost most of my smell with a sinus op.
BTW, pulling the hoe drill with the FSM was the most pleasant and easiest I've ever done it.
With the JD, I'm stepping on the independants for every corner. On the Ford, I never touched them once!
It just went where it was pointed.
I think she's half magic, and Need to get her put right!
Thanks again for your time and answers.
Richard.
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There is also a possibility that what you thought was oil in the exhaust was really sooty water from a leaking head gasket.
I would check inside the oil filler cap for a greyish white deposit. Then, in there is none, I would torque down all the head bolts.
Then make sure the radiator is clean and flush it through. Check to see if there is oil in the water.
Then just run her and keep an eye on your radiator level. I have known a faulty radiator cap give you similar symptoms.
I would check inside the oil filler cap for a greyish white deposit. Then, in there is none, I would torque down all the head bolts.
Then make sure the radiator is clean and flush it through. Check to see if there is oil in the water.
Then just run her and keep an eye on your radiator level. I have known a faulty radiator cap give you similar symptoms.
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Brian
Brian
Dave,
I wondered about the water pump.
Do you know how to check if it's working?,...apart from looking in the rad. filler to see if it's circulating?
Will check for bubbles/eruptions.
Brian,
It feels like oil, rather than sooty water.
There appears to be no oil in the water, so I'll re-torque as you suggest.
I can put on the rad cap off the other FSM, as it is still torn apart.
Thank you both for your suggestions!!
BTW,
I thought I was Never going to get to this thread this morning!
Kept getting the Fatal Error bit.
Funny, all the other sights I visit come up right away, but this one is always Slow.
Took me from 6.29 am till 6.59 to get it to work....
I wondered about the water pump.
Do you know how to check if it's working?,...apart from looking in the rad. filler to see if it's circulating?
Will check for bubbles/eruptions.
Brian,
It feels like oil, rather than sooty water.
There appears to be no oil in the water, so I'll re-torque as you suggest.
I can put on the rad cap off the other FSM, as it is still torn apart.
Thank you both for your suggestions!!
BTW,
I thought I was Never going to get to this thread this morning!
Kept getting the Fatal Error bit.
Funny, all the other sights I visit come up right away, but this one is always Slow.
Took me from 6.29 am till 6.59 to get it to work....
Brian,
Once again, you were right!
On examining the rad. cap (again) I noticed it was a bit bent, so straightened it out, and water appears to be staying put now.
Have not got it really warmed up since I did this, but it seems to be pressuring up as it should.
The oil has dried off on the manifold as well.
Thank you for the pointers on what to check!
Oil was also slobbering out of the gear-box, through the front seal, and out the top, below the steering box.
When I got the tractor, it didn't have the breather bolt, just a regular one,
It appears the 'breather' bolt I made up had too small a hole, as it was plugged up again!
Made a "MK 2" breather today, with a cap on it to keep dirt/wet out, and it seems to be working, with no pressure build-up now.
Might even get the old girl all cleaned up, if I keep at it!
Thank you again,
Richard.
Once again, you were right!
On examining the rad. cap (again) I noticed it was a bit bent, so straightened it out, and water appears to be staying put now.
Have not got it really warmed up since I did this, but it seems to be pressuring up as it should.
The oil has dried off on the manifold as well.
Thank you for the pointers on what to check!
Oil was also slobbering out of the gear-box, through the front seal, and out the top, below the steering box.
When I got the tractor, it didn't have the breather bolt, just a regular one,
It appears the 'breather' bolt I made up had too small a hole, as it was plugged up again!
Made a "MK 2" breather today, with a cap on it to keep dirt/wet out, and it seems to be working, with no pressure build-up now.
Might even get the old girl all cleaned up, if I keep at it!
Thank you again,
Richard.
Update;
Well, the old FSM was still pushing water out filler cap, so purchased a new rad. cap from Agriline.
Tried her rotovating, and she blew water out..........this time it was from the water pump!
I figured that since the rad cap was pressuring up now, the reason for blowing water out the water pump May be a head gasget after all, and the water pump acting as the next weakest link.
So, got a new water pump and top gasget set (Agriline) and set to.
It transpired that the head gasget was leaking, so now with new gasgets, new water pump, and a "Speedy-sleeve" on the front pulley along with a new front seal, she seems to be back to how she should be!
Thanks to everyone for their help!
Oh, and she did have one slightly bent push-rod.
All the best,
Richard.
Well, the old FSM was still pushing water out filler cap, so purchased a new rad. cap from Agriline.
Tried her rotovating, and she blew water out..........this time it was from the water pump!
I figured that since the rad cap was pressuring up now, the reason for blowing water out the water pump May be a head gasget after all, and the water pump acting as the next weakest link.
So, got a new water pump and top gasget set (Agriline) and set to.
It transpired that the head gasget was leaking, so now with new gasgets, new water pump, and a "Speedy-sleeve" on the front pulley along with a new front seal, she seems to be back to how she should be!
Thanks to everyone for their help!
Oh, and she did have one slightly bent push-rod.
All the best,
Richard.